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Videopac / Odyssey2 => Games => Topic started by: Rafael on October 02, 2007, 04:09:13 AM



Title: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 02, 2007, 04:09:13 AM
Another interesting discussion:

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=114241


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: RickO2 on October 02, 2007, 05:23:44 AM
It will be interesting to see if he can pull it off.  Maybe an Atari PAP will draw more attention to the Odyssey2/Videopac.  I'm all for that.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on October 02, 2007, 10:35:24 PM
Just goes to show why I don't like Atariage much anymore - at least their forum. Always cutting down the O2, but then they want to port games. Losers (at least some of them)...

Just my two bits...

Oh, and I really don't see this bringing anyone to the O2 - it'll just keep the hardcore Atari folks happy with their so-called superior system. Myself, I'd like to see the boulders with that damn 2600 screen flicker.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 03, 2007, 02:39:17 AM
It will be interesting to see if he can pull it off.  Maybe an Atari PAP will draw more attention to the Odyssey2/Videopac.  I'm all for that.

I agree. But I ever seen some discussion around O2 ports to 2600 and it never happens.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 03, 2007, 02:40:13 AM
Myself, I'd like to see the boulders with that damn 2600 screen flicker.

Or we call it Flicker Axe Pete :)


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Janzl on October 03, 2007, 08:09:35 AM
 :D


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: RickO2 on October 03, 2007, 05:08:15 PM
Oh, and I really don't see this bringing anyone to the O2 - it'll just keep the hardcore Atari folks happy with their so-called superior system. Myself, I'd like to see the boulders with that damn 2600 screen flicker.

Funny.  I think seeing an Atari version would be funny.  It would just go to show how poorly the 2600 stacks up against the O2/Videopac in regards to quality of the images.  I have never seen anyone successfully port an Odyssey/videopac game to the Atari. 


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: fernandotcl on October 03, 2007, 06:43:35 PM
Funny.  I think seeing an Atari version would be funny.  It would just go to show how poorly the 2600 stacks up against the O2/Videopac in regards to quality of the images.
I don't think that's accurate. The quality of images in several 2600 games is excellent (River Raid, Pressure Cooker, for example, and those aren't even the most graphically advanced 2600 games).

The Odyssey and the 2600 are too different internally, there are obvious challenges involving porting games between the platforms. Sure, a game like Pick Axe Pete! is not going to be an easy port. But I believe that many design decisions taken for Pick Axe Pete! were hugely influenced by the characteristics of the Odyssey platform. Likewise, porting a game like River Raid to the Odyssey should be equally hard (if not even harder), mostly because it exploits 2600's strengths which aren't available in the Odyssey.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: RickO2 on October 03, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
Funny.  I think seeing an Atari version would be funny.  It would just go to show how poorly the 2600 stacks up against the O2/Videopac in regards to quality of the images.
I don't think that's accurate. The quality of images in several 2600 games is excellent (River Raid, Pressure Cooker, for example, and those aren't even the most graphically advanced 2600 games).

The Odyssey and the 2600 are too different internally, there are obvious challenges involving porting games between the platforms. Sure, a game like Pick Axe Pete! is not going to be an easy port. But I believe that many design decisions taken for Pick Axe Pete! were hugely influenced by the characteristics of the Odyssey platform. Likewise, porting a game like River Raid to the Odyssey should be equally hard (if not even harder), mostly because it exploits 2600's strengths which aren't available in the Odyssey.
I suppose the term "quality of images" is a bit subjective.  My opinion is that the less flicker in a game the better the quality of the image.  Atari game makers did utilize the flicker somewhat to their advantage in a few games.  I agree, porting two totally games built for totally different systems is not easy.  I wasn't necessarily trying to get into the atari versus odyssey debate.  I'm a player not a hater... ;)


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 07, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Nice. Seems Pete will be a reality. There?s a .bin file on that topic. I also forget there?s a 2600 Robot City version.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on October 09, 2007, 01:57:15 AM
Maybe someone should port a 2600 game to the O2, and do it better than the 2600! Just a thought...


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 27, 2007, 11:12:32 PM
Seems 2600 PAP will becomes  reality.  :o


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: ccc--- on October 27, 2007, 11:13:30 PM
Maybe someone should port a 2600 game to the O2, and do it better than the 2600! Just a thought...
Tutankham on the Videopac is far better than the Atari version in my opinion :-)


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on October 28, 2007, 04:21:40 AM
Yes, Tut is better on the O2, which I think is pretty cool.

Still, I'd like to see some of the better 2600 games ported over. That would be nice.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: ccc--- on October 28, 2007, 09:16:56 AM
Yes, Tut is better on the O2, which I think is pretty cool.

Still, I'd like to see some of the better 2600 games ported over. That would be nice.
I'd like to see Activision releases on the Videopac. I have plans for some, but don't await them in the next weeks ;-)


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on October 28, 2007, 05:32:16 PM
Could we have some problem releasing an Actvision title? I ask it, because one day I was looking for some Spectrum rom and all Actvision games was distribution denied (don?t know why)

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004154


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on October 28, 2007, 06:11:29 PM
Could we have some problem releasing an Actvision title? I ask it, because one day I was looking for some Spectrum rom and all Actvision games was distribution denied (don?t know why)

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004154

Yes, there would be a problem - Activision is still around - and they go after anyone who copies their games!


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: ccc--- on October 28, 2007, 07:34:42 PM
That is true. We would have to change the title and would have to alter the gameplay a bit.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: RickO2 on October 28, 2007, 09:27:13 PM
That is true. We would have to change the title and would have to alter the gameplay a bit.
That would indeed make it more like an Odyssey/videopac game.   ;)


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on October 28, 2007, 10:33:09 PM
Yes, if the title is change, and gameplay made different enough - I don't think the small world of Odyssey would draw much attention. Just a fact.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: fernandotcl on November 01, 2007, 03:37:41 AM
Could we have some problem releasing an Actvision title? I ask it, because one day I was looking for some Spectrum rom and all Actvision games was distribution denied (don?t know why)

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004154

Yes, there would be a problem - Activision is still around - and they go after anyone who copies their games!
That sounds silly. In first place, they shouldn't make any money anymore from classic games except for commercial ports to modern consoles that are forced to pay royalities. Also, collectors like to have several copies of some games with only minor variations between them, so it's not like releasing an Odyssey port of River Raid would make the sales of an hypothetical port of River Raid for a classic gaming collection for the Wii drop at all.

I just can't picture Activision suing a retrogamer for selling 100 copies of a port of a 30-year-old game to a different 30-year-old platform, it sounds ridiculous.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Ozyr on November 02, 2007, 03:23:58 AM
I just can't picture Activision suing a retrogamer for selling 100 copies of a port of a 30-year-old game to a different 30-year-old platform, it sounds ridiculous.

Silly or not, if they found out about it, they would sue - or at minimum send a stop order on producing the game. Yes, the games are old, but Activision still has the rights to them - buy porting them - you are stealing their software. That is a legal fact.


Title: Re: Pete on Atari
Post by: Rafael on November 02, 2007, 01:02:32 PM
Anyway, we can make good games without Activision and the Odyssey tradition are the exclusive games.