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Title: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 17, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
Hello everybody. I'm Leonardo from Brazil. I'm starting a project to reproduce boxes for my console systems since is very hard to find standalone boxes and when I do, they charge almost the same price as the console. The idea is to store the consoles in a nice and neat way, but I'm not trying to fool anyone into thinking they are the real ones, but in the other hand I'm trying to replicate them as similar as possible. I've already replicated the art from 3 consoles, my 3DO FZ-1, My Vectrex and my ColecoVision. (I'll post or send the art the whoever asks for it to see what I'm talking about). I'm still trying out cardboxes and printing for the final phase, so I don't have the boxes ready yet.
I'm starting this topic because I have the Magnavox Odyssey 2 and the Videopac G7200, but no boxes for them. So I'm kindly asking if there's a good soul around here that could take pictures of the boxes and post them here so I could replicate them. If the pictures are in a good quality, I can replicate the boxes without the need of a real one, that's what I did with the other boxes. And I would need the dimensons also.
To sum it up: I need pictures and dimensions of the Odyssey 2 and G7200 boxes to replicate them so I can store the systems.
I'll glady post the results with the best resoluiton to whomever need them to do the same

Thanks for your time


Leonardo


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on March 18, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
It seems that you live in a tropical country, blessed by God and beautiful by nature ;)
Sadly I can help you, Leonardo, since I don´t have the items you want
(only the Schneider 7200)
By other side, recently I was asking by someone to make some boxes for me:
http://videopac.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2837.0
If you think you can help me with a repro box for C7420
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/odyssey2/inserts/image.php?image=collect/hardware/peripherals/c7420_box.jpg
I also was considering an repro box and board for the 4th Master Stratregy Series game "As Aventuras de Sherlock Holmes"
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/odyssey2/articles/bradford/gallery.php


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 18, 2017, 11:14:39 PM

Hello Rafael!! With that name, what's the possibility you live in that country too???
Of course I can help you.
The first step is to get the dimensions of the C7420 box. If you can't get it, we can calculate by measuring the console and add some centimeters as a buffer space for the styrofoam. If you have the styrofoam, is even better. And if you could gather more pictures of the box, it helps a lot too. I'm gonna ask if We can get help from other colletors on the Atariage forum, people've been very helpful there.
And I'm gonna start the Sherlock Holmes project too. I think I can work with the pics you've sent. And it would help if you could send me all the info you have on the game. Would you rather a box with English or Portuguese text?
So, our task now is to feed this post with as much pictures from the C7420 box and the dimensions, and to fee it also with the sherlock Holmes info.
I'll be posting the pictures of my progress.



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on March 18, 2017, 11:59:17 PM

Hello Rafael!! With that name, what's the possibility you live in that country too???
Of course I can help you.
The first step is to get the dimensions of the C7420 box. If you can't get it, we can calculate by measuring the console and add some centimeters as a buffer space for the styrofoam. If you have the styrofoam, is even better. And if you could gather more pictures of the box, it helps a lot too. I'm gonna ask if We can get help from other colletors on the Atariage forum, people've been very helpful there.
And I'm gonna start the Sherlock Holmes project too. I think I can work with the pics you've sent. And it would help if you could send me all the info you have on the game. Would you rather a box with English or Portuguese text?
So, our task now is to feed this post with as much pictures from the C7420 box and the dimensions, and to fee it also with the sherlock Holmes info.
I'll be posting the pictures of my progress.



If you make a box for the Sherlock Holmes game I would interested in one.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 19, 2017, 01:11:21 AM
The cover wasn't that hard, for the back cover is where I would need some help with the text or pics. I don't know if you got access to the real game or rom, if you do, screenshots would be nice too

And when we got all the art, I'll try to make an open box design for each one of us print and fold like the real boxes.

PS - the forum isn't allowing me to post the pics

I'll try later or maybe an imgur link


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 19, 2017, 01:25:31 AM

I decided to make the title in "Silver" because it fit right with the image and the "Gold" version turned out terrible.


http://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on March 19, 2017, 02:29:50 AM
Hi,
If you make a box for the Sherlock Holmes game I would interested in two (or more).
I can send you "scans" of each sides of the C7420 box.
Marc


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 19, 2017, 03:31:49 AM
Hey Marc, when the Sherlock Holmes project is done, we'll see what's worth, if I build the box by myself and send those who wants one, or if it's cheaper to make the art available and each one build their own. In each case, for sure you will get your box(es). One thing is certain, I'll provide the art for whoever asks, no charge of course.
And it would be great if you could provide the scans and dimensions for the C7420. Would you rather post it here or send it to me by email?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on March 19, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
I will scan my C7420 boxes (Philips & unbranded) tomorrow (Monday).


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on March 19, 2017, 04:45:45 PM

I decided to make the title in "Silver" because it fit right with the image and the "Gold" version turned out terrible.

http://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Wow, amazing!
I´m trying t post some pics of the back of boxes, but it seems actually there´s some problems to post files here ???



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 19, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
I will scan my C7420 boxes (Philips & unbranded) tomorrow (Monday).

Thanks!!!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 19, 2017, 05:55:15 PM

I decided to make the title in "Silver" because it fit right with the image and the "Gold" version turned out terrible.

http://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Wow, amazing!
I´m trying t post some pics of the back of boxes, but it seems actually there´s some problems to post files here ???

Can you post it through Dropbox link or some image dump page. Are you a member at the AtariAge forums? If not, it's a cool place and they allow large pictures uploading.




Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on March 19, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
If I try to upload something: The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.
Few lines on SH are in this Odyssey Adventure http://www.ozyr.com/o2adv/pages/win83p6.html, could serve to inspire the text of the cover.
I have some clipping about SH somewhere, I think it could also serve as a guide to the text behind the box.
Basically, behind the box has texts, screenshots and figures:
http://thedoteaters.com/?attachment_id=3212
I think for the figures could be used some of the board. What do you think?
Needing something (While it is not possible to post here) write: heatseekerbr@yahoo.com.br


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on March 19, 2017, 11:33:54 PM
Hey Marc, when the Sherlock Holmes project is done, we'll see what's worth, if I build the box by myself and send those who wants one, or if it's cheaper to make the art available and each one build their own. In each case, for sure you will get your box(es). One thing is certain, I'll provide the art for whoever asks, no charge of course.
And it would be great if you could provide the scans and dimensions for the C7420. Would you rather post it here or send it to me by email?


I forgot to say that would buy one of each version of the box English/Portuguese text.  They look great!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 20, 2017, 08:29:34 AM
Tomorrow I'll post the progress and I think we can get a prototype by the end of the week already. Due to the limited space we're facing, if you would like to reach me wether to send pictures, or to ask or give information, or even to talk about anything or giving feedback, feel free to write me at lebiagi@me.com. It was a great suggestion from Rafael who's been a tremendous help (it was his idea after all) on this project.
Thank you all for the collaboration and support.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: minodk on March 20, 2017, 02:14:47 PM
I just want to add my interest for this project as well. Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 20, 2017, 04:22:28 PM
Update to those who are taking interest on the topic. Our friend Marc (VideopacBelgium) was kind enough to send me the scans and dimensions of the requested C7420 box (requested by Rafael), and I'll be working on both projects simultaneasly (???) and keep everybody informed of the results.
Thank you all for the support and help.
As long as people collaborate, I'll be willing to keep the projects going and try to help anyone who asks for a replica or two.
I'll post the art on Imgur, but anyone that takes interest on using the art, please ask me that I'll send with the best quality available.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on March 20, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
Amazing projects Leonardo.  Will be interesting to see the finished boxes.

I have the feeling, something great starts here.



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 21, 2017, 04:08:25 AM
Amazing projects Leonardo.  Will be interesting to see the finished boxes.

I have the feeling, something great starts here.



Thank you TomBeck!! The server to this forum, apparently is full and is not handling well posting pictures, but I'll keep feeding my imgur account with pictures and if you would like some more info anything else, my email is lebiagi@me.com
leonardobiagi@imgur.com is where I'm posting the pictures


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 22, 2017, 01:53:37 AM
Hello again!!! Another update on both Sherlock Holmes project and C7420 box. The C7420 box is almost done. There's one face of the box I'm yet to finish and then I'll assemble the art and post it. And the Sherlock Holmes is getting awesome. I made a prototype to start working on which material would be nice to build the box, and it turned out really cool. The art's in black and white, but if it was in color, It could have fooled you. Rafael and I are still working on the text, and working on the instructions (this might take longer) and I have some ideas on the board. Check it out on leonardobiagi.imgur.com, or the direct link https://imgur.com/a/z6aTc.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on March 22, 2017, 02:28:34 AM
The Sherlock Holmes boxes are looking great! I cannot wait to see them in color when finished.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: minodk on March 22, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
Amazing!

Did someone manage to get a working game out of the prototype? What about the additional pieces, anyone have an idea of the content of the box?

Well, no matter what - I need that box! :-)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 22, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
Amazing!

Did someone manage to get a working game out of the prototype? What about the additional pieces, anyone have an idea of the content of the box?

Well, no matter what - I need that box! :-)

Maybe we get something out of this project. But one thing is certain, you'll get that box!!! 8)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on March 22, 2017, 07:07:38 PM
I must say it again: A wonderful project. I am so happy, that someone starts to make boxes. And the prototype look really amazing.

Were great to have they. I try so often to play the game. Sometimes, I look only to the title screen and dream, what could have been.

Thanks Leonardo, for your efforts.   8)



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 22, 2017, 09:23:57 PM
I must say it again: A wonderful project. I am so happy, that someone starts to make boxes. And the prototype look really amazing.

Were great to have they. I try so often to play the game. Sometimes, I look only to the title screen and dream, what could have been.

Thanks Leonardo, for your efforts.   8)



Thanks Tom!!
It's a group effort, really. It's Rafael Cardoso's idea and I'm just giving the help the way I can. VideopacBelgium is also helping. (You have no idea how far they are into this idea)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 22, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
I forgot to say that the C7420 box replica is done!
Here's the direct link: https://imgur.com/a/hPF5j


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on March 24, 2017, 04:48:07 AM
Update on the The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes box. I did a couple of more prototype boxes to test materials, and the second box was a disaster, a total mess. I won't even post the pictures. But the third one is really, really getting somewhere. I'm still having some problems with the assembly, but I'm always working on a solution. The text still need work, and we're working on that as well. Here it is: https://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on March 24, 2017, 12:05:36 PM
The prototype is looking really good!  Thanks for uploading new pictures all the time!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 02, 2017, 08:28:52 AM
Just an update on The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes box. I'm still working on them, I have built a couple more and they're beautiful. I'm not posting pictures because the difference now are on the paper I'm testing to envelop them. I already figured it out how they must be structurally speaking, but the paper part is turning up to be the hardest. but we're making progress still. Tomorrow I'll post a picture of two more boxes, bur as I said, there's no apparent difference.
Thanks to all as always for the support.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on April 02, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
This week I received from Leonardo, in addition to the first tests of the box of Sherlock Holmes (note: this is not, and does not pretend to be an official release), a miniature of the box of the C7420, was a beauty. Leonardo is very dedicated and capricious. I even think of asking for other miniatures ... Odyssey box ... The Voice box ... Chess box ... poor Leo. :P


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on April 02, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
Leonardo...you are going to be getting a lot for requests for these boxes!

Keep up the great work.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 03, 2017, 05:50:25 AM
This week I received from Leonardo, in addition to the first tests of the box of Sherlock Holmes (note: this is not, and does not pretend to be an official release), a miniature of the box of the C7420, was a beauty. Leonardo is very dedicated and capricious. I even think of asking for other miniatures ... Odyssey box ... The Voice box ... Chess box ... poor Leo. :P

I'm glad you liked it!!! And as long as you keep feeding me with the boxes scans or high quality pictures, I'll always be making the replicas. Sooner than later we'll have a replica from the The Voice box and I'll post it here.
And Rafael said it well, this is not an official release, only fans doing fan stuff.
And as promised, here are the new prototypes. There's not really an apparent difference, it's all in the paper material. And I built the whote box because I was experimenting with a lighter paper I already had at home and thought it would be at least curious to make a white box. See for yourself and comment please. There's also a picture of a mock up cover for the manual too in one of the oics.
https://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on April 03, 2017, 09:10:08 PM
Wow! All look absolute amazing! A dream come true.

The white box is really something new. Look also great.

I think, my next holiday is in Brazil. First visiting Rafael than take a look to your boxes and take one box with me to Germany.  :D



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on April 03, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
Wow! All look absolute amazing! A dream come true.

The white box is really something new. Look also great.

I think, my next holiday is in Brazil. First visiting Rafael than take a look to your boxes and take one box with me to Germany.  :D



It would be a pleasure to meet you, Tom. ;)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 04, 2017, 01:26:29 PM
Wow! All look absolute amazing! A dream come true.

The white box is really something new. Look also great.

I think, my next holiday is in Brazil. First visiting Rafael than take a look to your boxes and take one box with me to Germany.  :D



It would be a pleasure to meet you, Tom. ;)

And your box will be waiting for you...


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: minodk on April 04, 2017, 03:10:45 PM
Bromance?  ;)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on April 04, 2017, 07:46:09 PM
It would be a pleasure to meet you, Tom. ;)

It were a much bigger pleasure for me, to meet you Rafael. First, you show me your complete Odyssey brazil collection, then we play many, many, many games. After that, you must sign all your game manuals I have. And that all with our wonderful english. That were funny!   :D

And your box will be waiting for you...

Many thanks Leonardo. All brazilian are so kind to me. Good to know, I have friends on the other side of our planet.  :)

Bromance?  ;)

Indeed !  ;D


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on April 06, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Hi OdyPacs.

I've been talking to Leonardo recently and we thought maybe people would like to have a complete game instead of a box / board only. Anyway, considering that the owner of the game is René, I talked to him recently to vent such a hypothesis. Years ago Rene and I developed what we believe to be rules compatible with the game, and I had even started the work with the manuals. Sometimes, in order for certain things to happen, it is necessary to "make it happen." From experience we know that sometimes a project is postponed, the thing is allowed to cool down, and in the end, nothing happens. I thought maybe it was time to make this happen, the idea would be for Leo to produce the artwork and send it to the publisher, who would be responsible for the making of the carts and distribution. Leo told me that you can average 3 boxes per day. Other things should still be thought of, for example, each buyer could complete his game with the trays of another strategic game ... Well, the problem I see in everything and how it seems to me to have occurred other times, is that there were already More than one person interested in publishing the game. The goal here is to make Odyssey fans happy and see this happen, if we could reach some sort of consensus would gladly. Finishing, for my part my goal is not to profit or something, as Odyssey lover especially the Strategic Series just want to have the game. If someone else says they're going to produce the game by themselves, it's all okay (I'll order a box from Leo anyway). I just wanted to make things clear and good for everyone.
PS.: If you do not understand the text is the fault of the Google translator.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 06, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Hi OdyPacs.

I've been talking to Leonardo recently and we thought maybe people would like to have a complete game instead of a box / board only. Anyway, considering that the owner of the game is René, I talked to him recently to vent such a hypothesis. Years ago Rene and I developed what we believe to be rules compatible with the game, and I had even started the work with the manuals. Sometimes, in order for certain things to happen, it is necessary to "make it happen." From experience we know that sometimes a project is postponed, the thing is allowed to cool down, and in the end, nothing happens. I thought maybe it was time to make this happen, the idea would be for Leo to produce the artwork and send it to the publisher, who would be responsible for the making of the carts and distribution. Leo told me that you can average 3 boxes per day. Other things should still be thought of, for example, each buyer could complete his game with the trays of another strategic game ... Well, the problem I see in everything and how it seems to me to have occurred other times, is that there were already More than one person interested in publishing the game. The goal here is to make Odyssey fans happy and see this happen, if we could reach some sort of consensus would gladly. Finishing, for my part my goal is not to profit or something, as Odyssey lover especially the Strategic Series just want to have the game. If someone else says they're going to produce the game by themselves, it's all okay (I'll order a box from Leo anyway). I just wanted to make things clear and good for everyone.
PS.: If you do not understand the text is the fault of the Google translator.

I second that. And my thoughts are that everybody that had or have plans to publish the game shoul join forces so that it can happen smoothly. I'm pretty new to the scene, practically a baby, and I don't mean to pretend to know how it all works, but I'm 100% in and willing to do my best for it to happen. I already have like 8 prototypes of the boc and I think I'm almost getting to the right one. Some minor tweaks and adjustments are being made, and that's the most important and crucial and difficult  part of the process. And once I get the box right, it will be easier to build then and the numbers of box per day can go up. I have some thoughts on how to make the board, but am yet to start the project. My focus is entirely on the box for now.If the option would be to each one build one from old boards, I can make some instructions on how to do it (assuming my ideas work).
Anyway, I hope this time we can make it happen and I encourage everyone to give your thoughts and add your ideas and criticism.
Thank you for your time

And Rafa, I don't know if you did it yet, but start another topic with this subject.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on April 07, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
Hi OdyPacs.

I've been talking to Leonardo recently and we thought maybe people would like to have a complete game instead of a box / board only. Anyway, considering that the owner of the game is René, I talked to him recently to vent such a hypothesis. Years ago Rene and I developed what we believe to be rules compatible with the game, and I had even started the work with the manuals. Sometimes, in order for certain things to happen, it is necessary to "make it happen." From experience we know that sometimes a project is postponed, the thing is allowed to cool down, and in the end, nothing happens. I thought maybe it was time to make this happen, the idea would be for Leo to produce the artwork and send it to the publisher, who would be responsible for the making of the carts and distribution. Leo told me that you can average 3 boxes per day. Other things should still be thought of, for example, each buyer could complete his game with the trays of another strategic game ... Well, the problem I see in everything and how it seems to me to have occurred other times, is that there were already More than one person interested in publishing the game. The goal here is to make Odyssey fans happy and see this happen, if we could reach some sort of consensus would gladly. Finishing, for my part my goal is not to profit or something, as Odyssey lover especially the Strategic Series just want to have the game. If someone else says they're going to produce the game by themselves, it's all okay (I'll order a box from Leo anyway). I just wanted to make things clear and good for everyone.
PS.: If you do not understand the text is the fault of the Google translator.

I really hope this can happen. Hopefully everyone wants to work together and bring what will probably be the best release yet to us all. It would be wonderful if it was a gigantic collaborative effort from all across the world!  Make this happen people! We all want this game!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 12, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
Time for an update on the Sherlock Holmes project. Things are still running well with the boxes, I'm 99% at the ideal box that I think everybody will be happy with. We're also working on the board and I already get the format I like, but we are still designing it, the art on the picture is not final. And also I'm starting to work on the miniatures. Our main idea is to make exclusive miniatures for the game, but let's see how it turns out. We're very optimistic about this. I'll try to upload the pictures directly here, but If the forum won't let me, I'll post at my imgur link. As I said before, there's really no visual difference by looking at the pictures, but the paper is better, the construction of it is better, the finishing is better.
Thanks again to all for the support.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 23, 2017, 06:51:58 PM
Time for a little update. It may not seem now because there's no physical progress of the parts to show. But the box final prototype is almost ready. We're working an the art for the board, working on the unstructions, and still waiting for the chips to get done (It may take a little while).
But the work is going full time and as soon we get some pics to show you, we'll show you.
Thanks again.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on April 23, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
Thanks for your continuous support and all your work on this project.

Only the imagination, to have some day, a complete, great looking Sherlock Holmes game in my hands, make me happy.  :)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: immergruen on April 23, 2017, 10:44:57 PM
Having a Master Series Game released would be an INCREDIBLE addition to the Videopac library and might attract new people to join the scene more than any other release.
Whoever is capable to release this, should do so.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ScottyDont00 on April 23, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
I will gladly organize a US shipping group. Just let me know!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 24, 2017, 03:41:09 AM
Thanks for your continuous support and all your work on this project.

Only the imagination, to have some day, a complete, great looking Sherlock Holmes game in my hands, make me happy.  :)


Thank you Tom, it's a great project and we all take pleasure in doing so.

Having a Master Series Game released would be an INCREDIBLE addition to the Videopac library and might attract new people to join the scene more than any other release.
Whoever is capable to release this, should do so.

Thanks immergruen, we're working hard on it, it may take a little time but it's gonna get the release.

I will gladly organize a US shipping group. Just let me know!

Thanks ScottyDont00, I think every help is welcome, I don't know how it works since I'm new to all of this, but when the time comes, we'll talk about it with you.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 10, 2017, 06:05:07 PM
Hello evebody!!! Another update and another interest check! We're way past halftime on the project. We're 99% satisfied with the box, 90% satisfied with the board, the overlays are looking great (we are still choosing the style and button format), the chips are on hold and the instructions are starting to take form. Like I said before there's nothing physical to show, but we're up and running and really excited for the outcome!

The interest check is if there's anybody who would like the Videopac version, so I could adapt the box, the overlay (the odyssey version is much wider) and the instructions manual. Those are easy to adapt.

Thanks again for your time!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: immergruen on May 11, 2017, 12:07:23 AM
Hi, I would probably be interested in BOTH versions and might not be alone with that. If i had to chose, I'd rather prefer the Videopac version though.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 11, 2017, 07:12:30 AM
Aaaand here I come with another box request...

Since I don't own any videopac master strategy games, I've been researching for some boxes so I can make one of the Sherlock's to look alike, but I can only find the front of the boxes on google, and one from the side. I've noticed that the videopac versions have videopac written on the side, so could any of you nice souls that owns one of the videopac master strategiy games (it can be any game of the three released in any language) send me some pictures of the sides and bottom, it would be very helpful and I would be eternally grateful.

And another idea I had ( and I dont know if its a bold move, I haven't discussed with Rafa, the project leader) is that, when the project is ready and all the text is done, if anyone would like to translate it in their language and send it back to me, I would make the videopac in their own language. I noticed that since the videopac is the european version, there's a lot of different languages released, so I'd be willing to do that per request. We can do that interest check on the pre order. What do you guys think?

And please, please send me the pics.

Thanks again


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on May 11, 2017, 08:01:42 AM
Nice project!
How to use the board & tokens?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rene_G7400 on May 11, 2017, 09:28:46 AM
Would there also be a keyboard overlay for the G7400 console?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 11, 2017, 12:17:05 PM
Nice project!
How to use the board & tokens?

Hi Marc, how are you? I've tried to reach you through email, but never heard from you again...
I'm working on the tokens and Rafa is working on the board instructions (alongside Rene I think) but ultimately we'll get together to make the final adjustments, and all the help is welcome!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 11, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
Would there also be a keyboard overlay for the G7400 console?


Hello Rene, for sure!!! From my part, anything that can be done, will be done... I just need de measurements from it, and maybe a picture so I can overlay it and make the buttons placements correctly. Maybe Rafa would have it?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: immergruen on May 11, 2017, 11:03:18 PM
hi, wouldnt different languages cause problems with the quantity of text being stored? an english text takes about 20% more letters when translated to german. i remember this was an issue when first console role playing games were released in german.

anyways
i would proudy offer my support. my mother tongue is german. i can translate from english and spanish.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on May 11, 2017, 11:55:55 PM
Keyboards projects


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 12, 2017, 06:45:55 AM
hi, wouldnt different languages cause problems with the quantity of text being stored? an english text takes about 20% more letters when translated to german. i remember this was an issue when first console role playing games were released in german.

anyways
i would proudy offer my support. my mother tongue is german. i can translate from english and spanish.

I see what you mean. But what I meant was only for the box, instructions, overlays. I guess for those items we could adapt. If you would like I can send you the text from the back of the box so you can translate it to german and I'll make the art with all the text to see how it goes. I'll PM you with the text.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 12, 2017, 07:14:28 AM
Keyboards projects

Thanks Marc, this is awesome. And I love what you did with the outer part of the board as well.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Seob on May 14, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
Not goign to dublicate the post, but check my post on atariage. Next posts on this game, i will post here.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 14, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Not goign to dublicate the post, but check my post on atariage. Next posts on this game, i will post here.

Great!! I checked that post before though. But I'll thank you in both. Thank you!! That was perfect. I also asked there how would "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" would be in Dutch.
I'll try to assemble a box this week and I think it'll have a harder paper. But let's see how it turns out.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Seob on May 14, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
Dutch name "De avonturen van Sherlock Holmes"


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 15, 2017, 04:19:07 AM
Dutch name "De avonturen van Sherlock Holmes"

I sent you the back text, but I just realized there's no back text on videopac master strategy games... So, when I get substantial text from the instruction, I'll send it to you, ok? And please ignore that back text...

Thanks again


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Seob on May 15, 2017, 07:10:34 AM
Will do, had just started translating it.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 17, 2017, 03:24:59 AM
I thought I could give a break on the Sherlock Holmes project and post my new finished project that follows the name on the topic. I've finished the art for my The Voice box and I'm thinking about assemble it by myself, since I can't find the right place to print or even the right cardboard. I'm posting the link for the imgur album and soon I'll post picture sof the first attempt on the box itself.
Thanks.

http://imgur.com/a/xXWmo


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 20, 2017, 04:27:32 AM
The The Voice boxes are ready!! Both big and mini. As I said before I decided to go full guerilla style on the box so, instead of looking for a place to print it all in one piece, I printed each face separately. First I assembled the box itself with the cardboard. Just plain, with no art. Then I glued each side and glue black tape on the edges. I never thought it would work, so I didn't take any pictures of the process, but it turned out really great and I'm very happy with my box. I consider this project done. Now on to the styrofoam part.

Here are the pics.

http://imgur.com/a/xXWmo

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Janzl on May 20, 2017, 12:28:17 PM
Looking really really nice!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on May 30, 2017, 10:34:50 PM
Looking really really nice!

Thanks!!!
And now for the Videopac version (please note that the number after Videopac is a random number, and if anyone should know wich one would be the correct one, please tell me and I correct it)(all the way to the bottom of the link) http://imgur.com/a/z6aTc


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: minodk on June 01, 2017, 12:48:40 PM
The O2 looks really good.

I am wondering why you want to create a Videopac variant, the last boxed games was not released in a Videopac variant. To stay true to O2/VP I would say you should only create the O2 variant.

If you want to create a VP box, then it should look very different - google videopac 41 and videopac 42 for examples.

Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on June 01, 2017, 05:01:25 PM
The O2 looks really good.

I am wondering why you want to create a Videopac variant, the last boxed games was not released in a Videopac variant. To stay true to O2/VP I would say you should only create the O2 variant.

If you want to create a VP box, then it should look very different - google videopac 41 and videopac 42 for examples.

Keep up the good work.

Thank you minodk, that's exactly the kind of tip/ help I need. The Videopac idea was to give options for those in Europe who would want some variant, but it's not something certain yet, maybe we can put as an option on the time of the release. I'll try and make a different version like the one of The Quest (with a different color background, for instance, then you can continue with your inputs.
As always, I really appreciatte the comments and ideas, this is what will make this release a worthy one.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on August 19, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
Hello everybody, I'm coming out of the shadows again to give you a deserved update on The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. For personal reasons (good, excelent reasons, I had a new girl born 3 months ago) it's been really difficult to focus on the project so I can help at home on my free time. But things are starting to return to normality and I'm hoping to return to the project real soon. Other thing is that Rafa was finishing hist thesis and I felt I was taking too much of his time and wanted to leave him alone. And yet another reason was that I got a 3d printer to make the chips and tokens, because the idea was to make exclusive and personalized tokens and chips for the game and it's been hell to pay... For some reason, I can't get the small pieces to finish even in a medium quality so I can make them better on post production, but I'm getting a new printer and will try with it. Big pieces are fine. I've been the last 3 months trying to figure out the reason, but no success.
Anyway, the reason we've been quiet is all my fault and I'm here to apologize and say that the project is in full speed yet (we have almost everything ready to start production) but it stopped for the reasons I mentioned. And it was all my fault.
Thanks for your patience and for your time.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Janzl on August 20, 2017, 08:02:00 AM
Take your time Leonardo, we have alle been waiting for than 30 years so we can wait some more!  :D

And congratulations with the birth of your little girl, I hope all goes well and that you still get some sleep ;)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on August 20, 2017, 03:51:33 PM
Other thing is that Rafa was finishing hist thesis and I felt I was taking too much of his time and wanted to leave him alone.

Leo, acttually I finished my thesis, jut waiting for the final test. But I always have a time for Odyssey :)
On other side, recently my PC "died" I trying to reorganize my things and soon I´ll be returning 100% to SH.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on August 20, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
Take your time Leonardo, we have alle been waiting for than 30 years so we can wait some more!  :D

And congratulations with the birth of your little girl, I hope all goes well and that you still get some sleep ;)

Thanks Janzi, I actually don't know what sleep is anymore, but I remember it's something nice that feels good right? But the joy of having two beautiful little girls (the other one is 3 years old) really pys for everything else...


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on August 20, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
Other thing is that Rafa was finishing hist thesis and I felt I was taking too much of his time and wanted to leave him alone.

Leo, acttually I finished my thesis, jut waiting for the final test. But I always have a time for Odyssey :)
On other side, recently my PC "died" I trying to reorganize my things and soon I´ll be returning 100% to SH.

Nice to know it Rafa, and how did it go?
I think the next step for us is to meet in person. I just want to wait until my new printer arrives so I have some stuff to show you and then we make the final decisions. Maybe mid september.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on September 07, 2017, 04:55:26 PM


Nice to know it Rafa, and how did it go?
I think the next step for us is to meet in person. I just want to wait until my new printer arrives so I have some stuff to show you and then we make the final decisions. Maybe mid september.
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I´m not sure yet. My expectation is to take a final test next week (09/16), so we can schedule a meeting for some Sherlock tests.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Leonardobiagi on April 03, 2018, 05:34:23 AM
Finally some Tha Adventures of Sherlock Holmes Update.
The project isn't dead or at a break. It is slowly moving basically because of me, as I am a perfectionist and really annoing when it comes to details.
The rules are 90% done and so is the manual. The board is just needing some tweaks and the main problem for me are the chips. I got some real nice one from the web with free to use royalty, but I am feeling we need a 100 % original game, so I've been studying and am trying to make the chips myself. We prepared some nice details as well and I'm going to try and post the pic of one of the two main tokens. There are other stuff too that need attention, but it's not interesting at all to mention.
We felt that we owed some explanations and a new update.
So i hope you'll like the pic (it's from Scan the World, a nice project where people go around the world scanning stuff and making them available, so this is the actual replica of the Sherlock Holmes statue on Baker Street in London (so they say, I've never been there))


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Janzl on April 03, 2018, 09:11:16 AM
Oh that's really looking nice.

Take your time! Don't rush! We have the time, and need to spread our homebrew budget as much as possible :D


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on April 03, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
A absolute amazing result. Many thanks for showing.

After a so long time, one of the most mystic Odyssey2/Videopac game will be real.

A dream comes true.

Thanks to all who are involved.



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Seob on April 03, 2018, 11:23:45 PM
Keep up the good work. Really impressive.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on October 27, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Are there any news about this amazing Sherlock Holmes project  ???

First I was so happy, that something so fantastic came maybe out, but now so long nothing.  :'(

I know, this is a giant project that takes a long time to be finished, but is this still in progress  ???


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on October 28, 2019, 01:37:34 AM
I think it will work. But it takes patience.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on October 28, 2019, 07:05:37 PM
This are good news. Thanks Rafael.

With patience I have absolute no problem.

Good things take a while.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on October 29, 2019, 12:23:53 AM
Yes ;)
We are working, testing some things, thinking of others. For now, we have 20 manual pages ready, and others that depend on other things finished. As there is no news for some time, follows a preview of the board.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: grips03 on October 29, 2019, 03:57:00 AM
very nice


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on October 29, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Oh ! Sherlock Holmes overlay for O2 I've made several years ago.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on October 29, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
Thanks for the pictures Rafael and Marc. All look amazing.

It is so bad, that this wonderful game came too late for release in the eighties. This were a game I wanted to have for Christmas for sure.

We have so much luck, that the prototype was found. Also the front cover and parts of the board. Is it correct, that there is only one prototype of this game in René`s collection?

And now, some really nice peoples work in their free time on this big project, to release one of the most mystic Odyssey2 games, THANK YOU!








Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on October 30, 2019, 01:38:11 AM
Yes, Tom. The only prototype is from René. I told him that I was going to make an effort to carry out this project. In this case I depend on other talents for this achievement, and each one has their time. But things are going on. See some pictures.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on October 30, 2019, 11:27:05 AM
Nice work !!!  :o

9449 has already attributed for other official releases (and homebrew !?)

AC 9449 INTERPOL
AC 9450 COUNTDOWN
AC 9451 BLOB
AC 9452 PINK PANTHER (officially numbered)

 ;:)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on October 30, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
That`s so cool. Thanks again Rafael.  8)

Wonderful to see, that on the other side of the world, fans work on this.

Generally it`s amazing to see, that in 2019 still other people have the same hobby and love for this system like I have.
Sometimes in the past, I ask me, if I collect for the right system. I don`t wanted collect for more than one system. When I collect something, I want to have all what for me were possible and that from all around the world. And that were for more systems for me not possible. That would be also very expensive.
So sometimes, when I see what happend in the Colecovision or Intellivision scene, I ask me, if I had choose the right decision.

But ever, when I have an old or new Videopac game or an old catalog from Philips in my hands, I have a feeling, that is difficult to explain. And than, I am sure, that all is ok like it is. No other system could this do for me.

And when I see, what other people like you Rafael, Marc, Dieter, David, Ivan do, or Janzl with this page or what René and Martijn in the past did, and all the others I have now forgotten  ;:) , I see, that I am not alone. Thanks to all of you. Because of you Odyseey2/Videopac is still alive.  :)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Janzl on October 30, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
 Nice work Rafael, impressive!


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 07:43:37 PM
Nice work Rafael, impressive!

Thanks ;)

BTW, Maybe someone can give us some ideas. We have five symbols in the game. Of course, we believe that all symbols must belong to the same class and conclude that they refer to methods of murder. Four of the symbols fit perfectly into murder methods (see attached chart). But one of them apparently does not. Apparently it's an eye.
Question 1: Would it really be an eye, can anyone see anything else that fits as one of the crimes on the chart?
Question 2: Being an eye, what kind of crime could it fall into? (we provisionally created one, but we're not so convinced)
As the game is a prototype, we understood that it could change until the release and so we made some (we had consulted with René about this possibility). For example, we changed the snake, which originally looked like just a trace.
Question 3: Do we adapt the alleged eye to some kind of crime?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 17, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
Are you referring to this Rafael?



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 17, 2019, 09:41:06 PM
Sorry, but I really do know nothing about this mystic game. All what I did in the past, was press all keys on my Jopac and see what will happen.
Till today, I never thought about the crimes in the game.

You wrote, that 4 symbols fit perfectly.

Ok =
TNT = Exlposion
Pistol = Dead by bullet
The eye = could maybe be a pill. Could be also dead by poison
When this is a injection = then dead by poison
But why is the skull a knife?

Maybe you can help me with this?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 09:46:52 PM
Are you referring to this Rafael?




These symbols (red sprites) that Tom posted below


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 17, 2019, 09:49:04 PM
To me, the images in TomBeck post are from left to right:

Bottle of Poison - Pistol/Gun - Eye of Horus - Bundle of Dynamite - Knife.

Rafael, it would be worth listing the 4 methods you already have, we may be able to see a link.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 09:59:05 PM
We see this way:

simbol 1 = a skull normally represents POISON (I think it´s universal?)
simbol 2 = looks like a knife so it´s represents murder by SHARP INSTRUMENT
simbol 3 = this is our dilemma
simbol 4 = a revolver, so it´s represente murder by shooting and.
"simbol 5" = TNT = murder by explosion.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 10:00:37 PM
To me, the images in TomBeck post are from left to right:

Bottle of Poison - Pistol/Gun - Eye of Horus - Bundle of Dynamite - Knife.

Rafael, it would be worth listing the 4 methods you already have, we may be able to see a link.

Look at this.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 17, 2019, 10:06:48 PM
Okay Rafael, thanks.

I was side tracked by Tom's images since I believe 3 of the images don't match the sprites they are lined up with.

Will give it some thought


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 17, 2019, 10:10:44 PM
So here are we now. I think, I must sleep and think about this.

Hopefully I kill nobody in my dreams.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 10:11:59 PM
Thank you, friends.
Think calmly


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 17, 2019, 10:29:41 PM
Seems to be many meanings, but

https://truththeory.com/2017/11/27/true-meaning-behind-eye-horus/
Under the story of the eye of horus
There are many variations of the story however one version is- Osiris was king of upper and lower Egypt and in an attempt to overthrow him, his brother Set murdered Osiris. He placed him in a coffin and drowned him in the river Nile.

and

https://www.historyandmyth.com/2019/04/the-eye-of-horus-real-meaning-of.html
under The Eye of Horus in Modern-day Culture:
Fishermen in many Mediterranean countries often paint the Eye of Horus on their fishing boats for diving protection.


So it could be murder by drowning.

 ??? ??? ???


also

https://mythologian.net/eye-horus-egyptian-eye-meaning/
under Ancient Egyptian Use of the Eye of Horus
It is said that Egyptian sailors painted the Eye of Horus on the bows of their boats before setting sail on long and perilous voyages.

also #2

on Marc's post (http://videopac.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2911.msg31492#msg31492) on the last page, on the overlay Poison,Knife,Water,Gun and TNT are listed, so Drowning would fit with water.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 17, 2019, 11:23:46 PM
Seems to be many meanings, but

https://truththeory.com/2017/11/27/true-meaning-behind-eye-horus/
Under the story of the eye of horus
There are many variations of the story however one version is- Osiris was king of upper and lower Egypt and in an attempt to overthrow him, his brother Set murdered Osiris. He placed him in a coffin and drowned him in the river Nile.

and

https://www.historyandmyth.com/2019/04/the-eye-of-horus-real-meaning-of.html
under The Eye of Horus in Modern-day Culture:
Fishermen in many Mediterranean countries often paint the Eye of Horus on their fishing boats for diving protection.


So it could be murder by drowning.

 ??? ??? ???


We are thinking about following this line, but it still seems a little forced. ??? ??? ???
Clean your mind of Eye of Horus ;)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 17, 2019, 11:40:23 PM
Mark is right. Why use Marc WATER ?

Maybe he knows more….


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Janzl on November 18, 2019, 09:56:56 AM
Couldn’t it also be a mouth?
Representing clues given by witnesses? Just an idea.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 18, 2019, 01:10:51 PM

We are thinking about following this line, but it still seems a little forced. ??? ??? ???
Clean your mind of Eye of Horus ;)

I was only thinking about Eye of horus because it is on the preview of the board you posted (http://videopac.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2911.msg31490#msg31490) earlier in the thread

Sorry.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 18, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
Don´t need to be sorry. The goal is really to make this Brainstorm to try to finish the game as best we can. Initially, we also thought it was an eye (and it may even be), but the other objects are so literal that it is hard to believe that they would resort to historical facts for a single object (rather than putting a drop of water, for example). ). Anyway, follow the suggestions, but try to think of other possibilities. I'll be reading and trying to put the pieces together.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 18, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Try to imagine the following situation. You are a ten year old boy and you buy the game. You have to find out what crimes the villains intend to commit, so you have the manual explaining that: revolver means murder by shot, the skull means poison murder. So you think, OK. Then the manual says that the eye represents drowning murder. I don't know if I'm being clear in my thoughts.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 18, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
As I promised, I had to sleep and think about this. Well, I was sleeping, but I was not dreaming about Sherlock Holmes.  :-[

But today at my work, I do some brainstorming with my friend there. We look at the sign and thought, what for crime were possible in that time where Sherlock Holmes play.

Over the day, we had only 2 suggestions. Because I don´t know the english word for both, I use a translation programm and a picture to make it clear.

1)   To strangle somebody with a scarf
2)   To shove somebody alive in a water well

That are mine 2 suggestions for today.



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 18, 2019, 08:21:06 PM
As I promised, I had to sleep and think about this. Well, I was sleeping, but I was not dreaming about Sherlock Holmes.  :-[

But today at my work, I do some brainstorming with my friend there. We look at the sign and thought, what for crime were possible in that time where Sherlock Holmes play.

Over the day, we had only 2 suggestions. Because I don´t know the english word for both, I use a translation programm and a picture to make it clear.

1)   To strangle somebody with a scarf
2)   To shove somebody alive in a water well

That are mine 2 suggestions for today.



1) Strangulation/Garotting
2) Drowning


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 18, 2019, 08:25:15 PM
Rafael, I've never been involved in the Sherlock Holmes discussion, I know there was a hidden group on the old board, don't know about this one, but one question.

What is actually original from 198X ?, just the cartridge?. There are many photos/pics on this thread, There's pictures of boxes, overlays, boards etc, just wondering if any of them are original.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 18, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
1) Strangulation/Garotting
2) Drowning

Thanks Mark !

What is actually original from 198X ?, just the cartridge?. There are many photos/pics on this thread, There's pictures of boxes, overlays, boards etc, just wondering if any of them are original.

From what I know, only the following two pictures are original from the eighties.
The unreleased box art and the not finished game board.

All others: the finished boxes, game board, overlays and figures you saw, are the project from Marc and from Brazil.

But maybe Rafael knows more...


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 18, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
Rafael, I've never been involved in the Sherlock Holmes discussion, I know there was a hidden group on the old board, don't know about this one, but one question.

What is actually original from 198X ?, just the cartridge?. There are many photos/pics on this thread, There's pictures of boxes, overlays, boards etc, just wondering if any of them are original.

Mark, I knew abot the secret group, I wasn´t part of it, however. At some point, René called me to work on it. Then sent me the game rom and we had a lot of discussions about the game, rules, possibilities etc. Written occurs there are no written rules for the game, there is something here, something there, we try to find information etc. The problem is that the game is extremely complex, so all we have to original is the box and board art (which we believe to be partial). In short, it's a pretty hard job, so far I've written almost 30 pages of the manual, created / researched illustrations. But in short, the whole process is quite time consuming and one thing depends on another. For example, I cannot continue the manual until I have the pieces / board defined, as they will also be illustrated in the manual, and of course depending on other people. The process went slowly and then came this talent that is Leonardo. Initially, feeling that the project was falling into limbo, I asked Leo if he could make a box for me, simply as a fan, I would like to have a replica of the box for my collection. But Leo has incredible willingness to do things so I thought we could rekindle the thing. At this time, we were updating the project and René was also part of it. When René decided to leave the scene, I asked him if there would be no problem continuing the project is and that's for now.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 18, 2019, 11:40:43 PM
Guys, keep up the ideas. I'm writing it down (while working on another exciting project for our favorite console)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 19, 2019, 12:23:41 AM
We see this way:

simbol 1 = a skull normally represents POISON (I think it´s universal?)
simbol 2 = looks like a knife so it´s represents murder by SHARP INSTRUMENT
simbol 3 = this is our dilemma
simbol 4 = a revolver, so it´s represente murder by shooting and.
"simbol 5" = TNT = murder by explosion.

Two suggestions have come to mind

symbol 1 = Skull - murder by Poison
symbol 2 = Knife - murder by sharp object
symbol 3 =  ??   - murder by blunt object  (rock for example)
symbol 4 = Gun - murder by shooting
symbol 5 = TNT = murder by explosion.

or

symbol 1 = Skull - murder by Poison
symbol 2 = Syringe  - murder by injection (the far left pixel could mean a drop on the end of the needle)
symbol 3 = Stab Wound - murder by sharp object
symbol 4 = Gun - murder by shooting
symbol 5 = TNT = murder by explosion.



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: mjb on November 19, 2019, 12:26:59 AM
example for sprite regarding syringe


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on November 19, 2019, 12:43:58 AM
"When Magnavox pulled the plug on the Odyssey2 system, the game Sherlock Holmes was a finished product.
They had a copy of a finished EPROM and the finished rules, artwork, etc. and were days away from going into final production.
Ron Bradford and Steve Lehner spent many hours playing the final version and both said it was the best and most addictive game that they had produced to date."  :)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 20, 2019, 01:24:31 AM
Great ideias so far. I not will coment it to avoid influnece. Bring us more. ;)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: ccc--- on November 20, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
No chance of contacting Ron Bradford and Steve Lehner?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 20, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
No chance of contacting Ron Bradford and Steve Lehner?

Sadly, it seems, both has passed away :'(


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 20, 2019, 09:30:09 PM
From our Prototype list=

Sherlock Holmes       Prototype      Ed Friedman   Ronald Bradford   Stephan S. Lehner

And Ed Friedman? Is he still alive?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 21, 2019, 12:07:07 AM
How I remeber we made researches about possible involved.
As a curiosity, the magazine Odyssey Adventure quotes Bob Cheezan as the game's programmer.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 21, 2019, 12:19:15 AM
Was not Ed Friedman the programmer  ???  (Interview with Odyssey² Artist Ron Bradford):

"After completing Quest for the Rings, Conquest of the World and The Great Wall Street Fortune Hunt, Ron and Steve began a fourth game Sherlock Holmes bringing in their own programmer, Ed Friedman, a computer professor from the University of Chicago."

https://www.the-nextlevel.com/odyssey2/articles/bradford/index.php (https://www.the-nextlevel.com/odyssey2/articles/bradford/index.php)

 ???



Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 21, 2019, 05:18:03 PM
Was not Ed Friedman the programmer  ???  

Yes (or not  ??? ??? ;:) There´s two sources with diferent informations.
As I recall we searched both. Ed Friedman has a famous namesake, which makes it harder.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: TomBeck on November 21, 2019, 07:23:55 PM
When we couldn`t talk to someone who maked the game, we must do our best.

After so many brainstorming, I prefer Marks list No.2:

symbol 1 = Skull - murder by Poison
symbol 2 = Syringe  - murder by injection (the far left pixel could mean a drop on the end of the needle)
symbol 3 = Stab Wound - murder by sharp object
symbol 4 = Gun - murder by shooting
symbol 5 = TNT = murder by explosion.

This make for me the most sense. For me, Symbol 2 look really more then a Syringe then a Knife, because of the far left Pixel. That was also my first idea when I saw it. And Symbol 3 could really be a Stab wound.


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on November 22, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
old dagger? ah ah ah  :)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: VideopacBelgium on November 22, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
drowning murder  ??? oh oh oh  :)


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Rafael on November 23, 2019, 03:29:23 PM
My arguments and questions.

First, we have to think about the group: you have 1,2,3,4 and A. Who does not belong to the group?

Here we have one (that's what we could conclude), that the elements are murder icons, where the word TNT was placed, because the game needed 5 icons and Odyssey only has 4 sprites for that. The game starts by asking the player: Enter Crime

The idea of ​​the mouth is an interesting sight but it is not exactly a crime.

A syringe would really fit the case, but the contents of the syringe would be poison. We already have the poison represented by the skull, which is a universal symbol. We argue here that it is a knife, for the knife, when a crime icon, almost always comes with a drop of blood on its tip. We also suspect that the first crimes that would come to most people's minds would be knife and gunshot. Murders with sharp objects are the most common. It's something that makes the game more believable, we don't want to have something like murder by big toe bite.

Stab wound. It's interesting though, it doesn't fit the group.

Drowning: Quite creative. The question is, if you don't put the figure, would anyone come up with this reasoning? Could a 9-year-old see this? Wouldn't it be easier, for example, a drop of water?


Title: Re: Console Box Replicas/ Reproductions
Post by: Ozyr on November 24, 2019, 03:04:06 AM
TNT, Gun, Water (drowning), Dagger (curved on end, otherwise it looks like a sword), Poison.

That is how I see the graphics.