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Title: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Rene_G7400 on March 22, 2008, 12:24:20 AM
Check Videopac.org : Richard has left a message, apparently Videopac.org will disappear soon!


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: grgh on March 22, 2008, 04:27:31 AM
hmmm...... Ozyr, what your take, I know you can speak your mind  :)


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: RickO2 on March 22, 2008, 06:18:07 AM
Check Videopac.org : Richard has left a message, apparently Videopac.org will disappear soon!

This is unfortunate.  I still use that site to look up past forum posts and for the game info.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on March 22, 2008, 11:33:03 AM
This is sad, can someone post a link to Richards message please?  I can' seem to find it. 


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: mjb on March 22, 2008, 12:40:38 PM
Try this http://www.videopac.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1271


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Recycled on March 22, 2008, 02:59:13 PM
I'm not sure I get what he's saying....is he mad because someone started a new site when his was down?


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Rene_G7400 on March 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
I'm not sure I get what he's saying....is he mad because someone started a new site when his was down?

One of the things he's saying is that his forum is hardly used anymore and it costs him too much money to keep it online.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on March 22, 2008, 08:14:07 PM
Try this http://www.videopac.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1271

Thank you.  Why didn't any of us really migrate back to Videopac.org?  I personally didn't do it because I feared it may go away again and because everybody stayed here. 


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on March 22, 2008, 09:17:19 PM
Well I still have no idea why the hell the site went down in the first place. And any explanation that was given was so incredibly flakey that it beggars believe that Richard wonders why we are all here! Videopac.Org was great, this site is better. I think a lot of people were pi$$ed off by the way Videopac.org saga got handled. ??? ???


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on March 22, 2008, 09:27:07 PM
Just had a quick skim and now people are posting over there as well, this is probably why one board is good for the videopac community and not two


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on March 23, 2008, 01:24:00 AM
hmmm...... Ozyr, what your take, I know you can speak your mind  :)

You want my honest opinion on this, okay, here it goes then (and yes, I do speak [type] my mind!)

(I've already spoke my mind to some extent on the old board, in reply to Richard. Read it while it lasts.)


1 - First off, I think it is nice that Richard gave out the Odyssey PDF magazine he created. Nice last minute good bye to the O2/VP community.

2 - Complaining about the cost of running an Odyssey2/Videopac forum honestly in kind of lame. If you don't like to lose money on running a Web site, then don't do it. Most video game fan sites lose money, as does mine. Do I complain about it, maybe a little. However, I enjoy doing it, so around $100 a year is no big deal. Honestly, $100 (whatever in England or Europe), is nothing if you have a regular paying job. It is a drop in the bucket.

Also, I pride myself at having virtually no advertisement on my site (I have one Amazon.com link), which Richard kept trying to do to pay for the old site/forum. I refuse to put up ebay stuff, google links, and the like. I've thought about them, but I don't like them, thus I don't do them.

Back on subject though, if it is costing Richard too much, then drop the site. Just do it, and move one. And honestly, I hate having two forums. It'll be nice to just have one again!

3 - As far as I can tell from Richard's post, his main complaint is the cost to fix a hacked forum. It sounds like it was hacked and/or the data badly damaged. He also gripes about how backups didn't work on a MOD'd forum.

Well, I've been there, and still have my own little forums (hidden away for the most part). Yes, you can backup a MOD'd forum, you just need to know what you are doing. I've had some hairy experiences with php forums, but managed to pull through with the community on the phpBB support forum.

As for Richard talking about paying to restore the old forum, I wish he would have posted that he needed help first. There is a good chance one of us could have helped him, and for much less money. This is my biggest gripe - no communication. Only now do we find out that his site was apparently hacked (or corrupted), and he took months to get it fixed. He should have simply posted this from the start. Now, I've got nothing personal against Richard, but this whole thing could have been handled better. Simple fact.

4 - The comment on fickle members spatting their dummies (his exact words) was kind of odd. But, as I see it, he is just spouting a bit of anger/frustration that his forum and site are no longer really used anymore. Again, his own fault for not communicating. This also could be in reference to some members here who have complained about not getting things that they paid for - and they have that right to complain! As far as I know, some people never received things they paid for, yet!

But, I think his main point is the new forum, which went up when his went down. Frankly, let the old one die, and I have not like two forums at all. This one is designed much better, no ads, no complaints about needed money to keep it running, etc! Thus, goodbye old forum, it was fun while it lasted. (And please, don't keep the old one going, just go out with some dignity Richard!).

(On a side note, I will admit that I think Robbert put up this forum too quickly. It was supposed to be temporary, but it expanded way to fast. Note Robbert, this is just my opinion, nothing more or less. I don't mean any insult, but I am speaking my mind. It is water under the bridge at this point though.)

5 - As for thanking his friends, that is cool. Not sure if he considers me one, but I like that he gave me credit in the Odyssey magazine he created. Plus, I never had much of a problem with Richard, except for the silence when the old forum went down.

6 - As for someone buy the old domain site, anyone here is welcome to it. I would guess that Richard will ask at least ?500+ for it (to recap his loses).

In a nut shell, out with the old forum, long live the current forum!

end-of-line


P.S. Since the old forum is going away, would people stop posting on there then, please! Just let it go with some grace, and let it have a nice quick death!

And, if Richard reads this, I still personally have no ill regard towards you in general. Things could have been handled better, but no one is perfect (and I should know, I've made plenty of mistake, that is life). Thanks for the old forum, while it lasted. It was fun for a few years. Time to move forward though... Good luck in life, and whatever lies ahead!


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on March 23, 2008, 01:43:38 AM
So, grhr, was that enough!  :P

(I'll have to admit, that felt good getting that off my chest).


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Janzl on March 23, 2008, 08:29:02 AM
Quote
(On a side note, I will admit that I think Robbert put up this forum too quickly. It was supposed to be temporary, but it expanded way to fast. Note Robbert, this is just my opinion, nothing more or less. I don't mean any insult, but I am speaking my mind. It is water under the bridge at this point though.)

No insult taken!  :)

Maybe i put the forum up a little to quickly, but if you have the sick habbit of getting up in the morning and one of the first things you do is checking a vpac/O2 forum you start to act weird when it's gone. Some people have that with heroin but I have skipped that stuff and decided to go for a forum which is healthier in my opinion.
So in a frenzy of cold turkey I started to set up this forum.

This explains my hastely behaviour  ;:)

The forum was meant to be temporary at first, the goal was to put up a place where everyone could stay in touch until the old forum was back. But the old forum stayed away for quite some time and more and more people were telling me that they prefered this forum and were very fond of it. I decided to let the people make the decision for themselves. When the old forum finally came up almost everybody made it clear that they wanted to use the new one.

So... by kind of a democratic decision I kept this forum up and running.

I don't know what the exact meaning of "some fickle members spat there dummies and so the site is not used anymore" is. My english is okay but the meaning of some sayings elude me. The last quote is one of them. I get the impression though that it is also directed to me.
Seems like Richard is getting his frustrations of his chest. I somehow can understand that but I wish he would have let us known something. It would have been very easy to send a message to the community like: "People, the old forum is comming back you can stay in touch, until then, on the new one" or something like that. People would have known what they were up to and I would have willingly participated in letting the new forum die once the old one was ressurected. This would have saved a lot of frustrations for a lot of people.

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone by giving the impression that I wanted to TAKE OVER THE WOOOORLD!!! ;) That was absolutely not my intention.

Janzl


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Rene_G7400 on March 23, 2008, 02:32:10 PM
Maybe i put the forum up a little to quickly, but if you have the sick habbit of getting up in the morning and one of the first things you do is checking a vpac/O2 forum you start to act weird when it's gone.
So in a frenzy of cold turkey I started to set up this forum.

I check the Videopac forum more than once a day too, so I'm very glad we got a new forum so quickly. Most of the time when websites suddenly disappear, they don't come back. If I would have known that it would, I wouldn't have spent so much time going through Google's cache to find the posts of the old forum. How were we supposed to know that the old forum would come back after about one and a half months? If the forum was so important to Richard, there must have been a way for him to let us know something, unless he was in hospital or in prison.

So... by kind of a democratic decision I kept this forum up and running.

I agee: after the old forum came back we had a choice: stay here or go back. Apparently most of us wanted to stay here.

I don't know what the exact meaning of "some fickle members spat there dummies and so the site is not used anymore" is. My english is okay but the meaning of some sayings elude me.

I was wondering what that meant too. I think I get the idea of it now.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on March 23, 2008, 08:22:04 PM
Re: the comment about being fickle, Richard basically thinks we are all two faced.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Janzl on March 23, 2008, 09:16:26 PM
Re: the comment about being fickle, Richard basically thinks we are all two faced.

Ah... a bit like being a normal and a "+" version at the same time  ;)


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on March 24, 2008, 01:42:07 AM
I agree with just about everything Ozry said. 

I am glad this forum went up so fast actually, it pretty much saved this community!  Could you imagine what would have happened if this site never went up and the old forum died out like it is now?  The Atarians would be having a field day with this!   


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: grgh on March 24, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
"two faced", Andy you cant explain one piece of slang by using another!  :)

By "fickle" he is saying we quickly left and didn't return, and had no loyalty to the time and effort and community he had established.

A "dummy" in this context is something you put in a babies mouth to stop it crying, so Richard is saying we were a bunch of crying moaning babies.
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/dailycare/dummies&pacifiers/#2


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Recycled on March 24, 2008, 02:17:21 PM

By "fickle" he is saying we quickly left and didn't return, and had no loyalty to the time and effort and community he had established.

Dog eat Dog.

Snooze, you lose.

Or any other cliche can be applied.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on March 24, 2008, 09:28:45 PM
I have just slapped my wrist in shame regarding my use of slang  ;:) ;:)


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on March 24, 2008, 11:37:00 PM
Re: the comment about being fickle, Richard basically thinks we are all two faced.

Could be. But two faces is better than none in my book. Sad thing is, it still all boils down to lack of communication.

After reading what he did, with paying people to rebuild his php data, I can't understand why he could not have posted a 'I'm working on it  - stay tuned' message, or anything to that point!

Ah well, it is the past now, keep moving forward...


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on March 25, 2008, 07:49:29 PM
He still hasn't replied to any of the new messages on the old board, I guess what your saying is correct


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Seob on March 25, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
I was also frustrated because the old forum went down so suddenly.
Because i didn't know where to go to i went to atariage. There someone posted this forum so i got here. I also liked this setup more then the old board but, i didn't have problems going back to it. But since there was more action here and we didn't know why it went down i stayed here.
Maybe Richard is mad because everybody went here, but as said we didn't know why it went down. Some people here even tryed to get the old forum back online by contacting the forum host but since it wasn't money and only richard could fix the problem knowbody knew what to do.
Maybe if he had read this posts here about his forums disappearence.
He would have read that a lot of people where concerned about him. Wishing that nothing serious had happend to him.
It would have been easy to just post a few lines here saying what happend and Janzl would have moved stuff posted on his site to richards site. Als well had people moved.
So the main problem is all coming down on communication.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Rene_G7400 on April 06, 2008, 05:43:44 PM
For those who don't check Videopac.org anymore: Richard has left another message.
He is thinking about keeping the forum online if there will be some activity on it.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on April 06, 2008, 06:39:44 PM
I don't think I am going back.  I appreciate Richard putting lots of time and money into that forum, but I would prefer to be here for a number of reasons.

1.) I personally prefer the look and GUI of this forum

2.) Every issue on this board is rapidly resolved, as Janzl showed us recently when this forum was down for 3 hours or so.  He had it backed up and solved the issue fast and gave us a good rapid valid explanation.  Thanks Janzl.

3.) It seems most of the activity between members of the community are at this forum.

4.) Having two forums would be a hassle at times as Ozyr has pointed out before. 



Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on April 06, 2008, 10:09:25 PM
OMG! Are you we going to have the discussion again about two forums for the videopac  ???


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on April 07, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
OMG! Are you we going to have the discussion again about two forums for the videopac  ???

It has already started...


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Rene_G7400 on April 07, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
I know some people hate having two forums, some others don't mind, some might like it.

The question is: would anyone care if videopac.org would disappear completely?
If no-one cares, we'd better tell Richard.


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: grgh on April 08, 2008, 08:16:41 AM
No I don't want to see it disappear completely, there is a lot of time and effort and useful information there as well as the forum. I'm sure most forum activity will now happen here, certainly I've got used to the look and feel of this forum.

If the extra functionality associated with having a forum costs more money, then there could be a cost saving there, but I'd like to see videopac.org stay as I would any videopac site - including the forum for its current and historical value to the community.

Maybe videopac.org could be reborn in some other function, as a videopac social networking site maybe  ???


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on April 08, 2008, 04:45:18 PM
Maybe videopac.org could be reborn in some other function, as a videopac social networking site maybe  ???

Like a Videopac/Odyssey 2 Myspace?  Thats actually is a great idea!  All members here could have pictures of ourselves, maybe a little blog, and other collection pictures.

 


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on April 08, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
Can you imagine all the scary pictures of us lot!!


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Sweersa on April 09, 2008, 02:58:48 AM
Can you imagine all the scary pictures of us lot!!

In that case we can all run our pictures through some sort of Odyssey 2 sprite or character converter. LOL


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on April 09, 2008, 08:26:19 PM
Believe me my friend it would improve my appearance to no end  ;:) ;:)


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on August 02, 2008, 05:36:58 PM
Looks like the old site is gone for good. It now points to http://cj.metaboli.co.uk/

I guess Richard gave up on it!?  ???


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: ANDYRYALS on August 03, 2008, 12:21:15 AM
I tried contacting him again a couple of times but got no reply


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Gorf on December 14, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
I agree with just about everything Ozry said. 

I am glad this forum went up so fast actually, it pretty much saved this community!  Could you imagine what would have happened if this site never went up and the old forum died out like it is now?  The Atarians would be having a field day with this!   


Not this Atarian! Im a Loyal blue blooded Atari fan and would hate
to see the classic VideoPac/O^2 furoms disappear. Besides, the Atari
fans have little left to crow about nowadays anyway.

Hey I bought the Jag at $250. If that was not punishment enough, I
still am making games and tools for it today.

:P


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on December 15, 2008, 12:37:03 AM
Hey I bought the Jag at $250. If that was not punishment enough, I
still am making games and tools for it today.

:P

Hey, your not the guy who released Gorf for the Jag a while back!  I never did get a copy before sales stopped...  :'(

Oh well, that is for another topic (on an Atari site).  ;)


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Gorf on December 15, 2008, 01:41:19 AM
Um as a matter of fact that would be me. :)
I hang mostly at JSII.



Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Ozyr on December 15, 2008, 02:56:09 AM
Um as a matter of fact that would be me. :)
I hang mostly at JSII.

Cool. Um, what/where is JSII? (yeah, I don't get around as much as I used to)  :-[


Title: Re: Videopac.org about to disappear soon?
Post by: Gorf on December 15, 2008, 04:21:17 AM
Um as a matter of fact that would be me. :)
I hang mostly at JSII.

Cool. Um, what/where is JSII? (yeah, I don't get around as much as I used to)  :-[


Go take a look in the Atari Jaguar section which is more on topic. :)